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Friday, September 30 - 6:15amSanction this postReply
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Those who hold the former position argue mainly on the basis that at least the higher animals have minds like ours, while the latter believe that animals of all kinds have interests which need to be promoted as ours are
Promoted by whom?  If animals had a concept of rights they would promote it themselves.  Clearly their only understanding of the world, based upon how they treat each other, is to eat or be eaten.

Even animal rights champions admit that this is a unique human capacity, since they never preach to animals about how they ought to treat other animals or humans, and realize that this would be pointless.
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Friday, September 30 - 6:43amSanction this postReply
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Territorial Imperative
 
I used to believe
                      That jungle pools
            Were special places,
                              Communal mothers
                  For placid slaking
                                   Of simple thirst.
 
                    I used to believe
                                           Enchanted rules
                                Charmed each oasis,
                                                   Made beasts as brothers
                                       In pure partaking
                                                         That quenched the worst.
 
How I imagined
                     Green-shadow ponds,
          The tranquil lapping
                          Of lion, eland,
                Forgoing gore
                                   With a tacit bow!
 
                         How I imagined
                                              Non-feral bonds
                                                   --Such sylvan sapping
                                                       In a fairyland
                                                           Ripe with lotus-lore--
                         Eludes me now.
 
For now
          I stand near a waterhole
          In the gangrene jungle's sweating soul...
For now
          An equarotial noon
          Chatters and grins like a mad baboon...
For now
          My skin hears the thick flies feast
          On a carrion-bowelled wildebeest...
For now
          A low currr claws my mind,
          Too hot-throated, too close behind...
 
          --Now
                But a splintered second remains
                For terror tugging my whirling sleeve,
                For a trigger twitch as the Mauser trains
                        To splash a bullet through the brains
            Of what I used to believe.....
 
                                                         John Paul Sherman




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Friday, September 30 - 10:44amSanction this postReply
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Animal rights. Huh...

You know what that sounds like to me? It sounds like people who have decided to make decisions for animals. Which, were animals not animals, would probably piss off a whole lot of them.

My eldest daughter is a college nursing student, and works full time as a vet assistant. Her office happens to have a mobile rescue unit, and the staff has a rather high technical prowess in general.

Anyway, she has a very deep respect for life in general, especially for a 19 year old. She definitely doesn't like it when things happen that people (or animals) really don't deserve. She and some others volunteered to go down to the Gulf last week to help process the lost and hurt pets. So, she went down there, and worked her ass off in very primitive and risky conditions, microchipping, triage, rescue, and so on.
In other words, she had the means, time, and opportunity to do some actual  volunteerism (as in working). Was she acting in her best interests? Of course she was- this kid is about as far from an altruist as you'll ever find. What she doesn't do is run around half-cocked like a freak, harrassing people about things that she doesn't have all the facts on. Is she an animal rights activist? I don't think so. I think she is someone that will, if possible, do what she can to alleviate pain in people and animals. Surely, she does not put the animals in front of the people. And, she puts the rubber on the road. I'm proud of her for not just talking principles, but living them.

Do people do stupid, cruel, and pointless things to animals, far outside of what needs done? Yup. That is wrong, and they are ignorant, or callous, just into it, or all of the above. These people should be watched for and looked at and dealt with. Animals do feel pain, on the whole. Animals are living creatures, and we should be respectful of that fact as we go about doing things. But creating "rights" for them is, I think, about something else, something else that I probably don't care for. The hardcore activists fall into the category of "extremist", and I never get along with extremists, because they are very selective about reality.

This article deals with how perception can be manipulated by people who probably aren't together enough to properly manipulate themselves, and used to screw up someone else's shit.




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Saturday, October 1 - 1:24amSanction this postReply
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Robert,

The poem in post 1 on this thread is great poetry.

You really should post this as an article. Create a login for John Paul Sherman (as I did for Ron Merrill) and start posting John Paul Sherman's poems as articles to be published at the head of SOLO.

(Edited by Adam Reed
on 10/01, 1:27am)




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